Flame tanks or arties with the british

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:07 am

Yes, flame tanks.... for some of u it might be hard to belive how players are using flame tanks with succes. However, it is fact. Flame tanks can work really well if they r used properly. How ? why?. While Arty tanks cost you 250, flame tanks cost 225 which means u can get flames faster than arties. Also, After the diesel upgrade flame tanks speed becomes fast and very fast when u order them to run, while for Arty tanks the diesel upgrade only affects the little stuart tanks but not the 2 Arty tanks which makes Arty tanks regiments slower. Now you might think that in order to get flames u need an upgrade under motor pool, and to get Arties u just need the arty brigade. However, if u made mech, u already have the motor pool then u just need the upgrade which is 150, almost what the arty brigade will cost. Then, poeple might say that arty tanks have 2 tank upgrades ( improve fire control and long range) , and flames dont have any tank upgrades. However, they are affected by many other upgrades such as diesel, plentiful amunition, foraging, improved logistics and entrechment. I agree that in contrast to flames, Arties are easier to use cuz u can fire them from far away, However, flames are very good taking morale from their victims, their denfense value is 7 which is 3 more than the Arties, and their rate is medium, while arties rate is very slow.
Now is up to you fellas to say what u like better and why. u can also pick one of the fallowing points .

A. Yes, flames are better than Arties
B. Arties are better than flames
C. are u kidding me? lol, flame tanks?
D. depends on the map and terrain
E. Arties and flames work good togheter
F. Jax plays better when he uses viagra
G. I dont give a fuck about flames

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:51 am

B. Arties are better than flames
C. are u kidding me? lol, flame tanks?
D. depends on the map and terrain
E. Arties and flames work good togheter
F. Jax plays better when he uses viagra

Flames tanks are good for an early tank rush since GB is cheap

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:27 am

There is one thing you are missing entirely altogether.

The number of units you have in flame vs arty is different. This can have a big effect. Three flame tanks that have short range ability vs 2 arty tank units with long range ability is a crucial step. Especially when fighting in the trees.

The obvious thing here with the Flame vs Arty debate...the arty will win because you can engage the flame long before the flame will engage you. Thus they lose morale quicker. Although you can flank an arty tank with possibly a flame unit, thats one of the tactics to counter...unless you compare 18 arties with 18 flame units.

I think if anything...flame is good as a 'front cover screen' in combination with arty tanks, just like AT mech can be good for that purpose, or king tigers going infront of american arty tanks.

The more appropriate comparison, i think, would be heavy tanks vs flame tanks.

Whilst this is a good forum discussion topic, you are comparing apples with oranges when comparing flame tanks vs arty tanks. Compare an artillery unit with another artillery unit (ie german arty vs yank arty, or russian rockets vs german arty etc). Compare flame tanks with other heavy tank unit types (like king tigers, heavy tanks etc).

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:13 am

first of all, why didnt u make a poll out of this?instead of typing a,b,c...

and im not getting why would someone be surprised that someone would be using flame tanks with GB?

and livo, GB arty vs flame tanks, flame tanks win easy,

i remember a game where i was GB vs another GB the guy had like 16 arty or more and i think i had 13 flames, i was able to push more and kill but the problem was when the terrain was filled with trees and there was a mountain i had to go in the middle with all my tanks and i got constantly bombarded untill i reached the tanks, flame tanks are strong no doubt about it, they can pwn mech easy of course and they pack a nice punch

but i still prefer arty tanks i can really be annoying with those Laughing

Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:27 pm

believe or not my friend Flame tanks arent the usual building order with brit. the most of the time a player will get arties as u just said, "but i still prefer arty tanks i can really be annoying with those ". For the past 2 years and half I have only seen 4 players using flames with succes and thats why many poeple is surprised when the see flames. In my opinion flames required more skills than arties.

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:42 am

If u can macro as good as ice with flame tanks than flame tanks can easily rape arties.

And btw me and ice experimented flame tanks vs arties and flame tanks won,more units.

Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:35 am

yeah just as i said toxi flames win

and torment, idk i have seen alot of people doing arties, i would do arties if i have the money with brits cuz they cost more feul or something like that and also if the terrain is good, so...

if u have lots of resources, ammo, fuel, unit space(LOTs of unit space),money, and also the tank HQs, to get flame tanks out steadily without getting ur eco in the shit, and the terrain ur fighting has to be perfect, no annoying mountains, avoid those same with trees

go for it Very Happy

Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:09 pm

Okay. I think this is clearly a stupid argument. I completely 110% agree with Livo. (For once LoLz)

Flame Tanks will always always always get owned by Arty's. If you have 20 Flame Tanks and 20 Arty Tanks and two players with equivalent skills the player with Arty's will ALWAYS win.

Just like Livo said.. the Arty's have long range meaning the "Flamers" (as I like to call them) will be hit heavily by the time they even touch the Arty's

Plus the Flamers hit the tanks of the Arty regiment which doesn't do shit, because the long-tons are drilling the fuck out of them

Example: DK KingDragon. A pretty well respected gamer, good skills whatever, agreed? Well in a 4v4 I was Ike and he was Monty I believe, me and him got paired up for a 1v1 in this 4v4 (For the whole game, no excuses) Later in the game I end up rolling 20 of KingDragons Flamers with only 15 of my USA Arty's. Call me a lier? I have the film.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Flamers suck, they're good, but not against Arty's. Like Livo said: "Go out and experiment Flamer's vs King's or Russia Heavy's..."

Secretary of Defense Joined: Feb 16, 2007 Posts: 2379

even if you did pump out a shit load of flames, the arties would overall win out....arties are the most overpowered unit in the game...and the fact that u can have 20 regiments of them doesnt help. If you gonna go up against ppl that know what they are doing...do arties or die...if your smurfin or noob bashing, have some fun and roll with flames....the one thing i hate is a smurf that builds fucking arties...theres no point in it, might aswell just log on your general and do that shit to ppl that can actually put up a fight to it.....

Flames are called flames becuase they are flaming homosexuals that take 50 pound arty shells in the ass Very Happy

( i wasnt trying to be precise on the weight so dont naw off my ass livo Very Happy

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:37 pm

ask your boyfriend to knaw your ass...leave me out of it

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:50 am

first of all, livo has amenesia, so he might forgot that hes your boyfriend mustang, we will forgive him for that, (i dont know maybe that viagra is affecting his head instead of his dick Laughing

) LOL livo im jk =)

and while u say arty win vs flame tanks, depends on terrain kinds of arty(which nation) i was comparing GB arty vs flame flames win, and also u have to think, while ur flames get shelled trying to get to the arties, doesnt really matter much, when u reach his arties thier morale is gona drop like crazy, and besides if u have a plan, u can save ur tanks from getting constantly shelled

arties better than flames? never

arties easier than flames? yes because we are used to them

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:53 am

I vote arty even thought I hate to agree with dolfaggy.

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:56 am

As I said Arties are a lot easier to use cuz they have long range so u can bombard ur enemy from far away. However, if you use flame tanks smartly and u combine them with a good air support and arties they are gonna be deadly cuz they take away the enemy morale preventing the enemy from running away or even move . For instance , if you use Arties to bombard the enemy units and then u flank with flames they wont have anywhere to run or go, again the flames speed is fast and when u order them to run it is super fast so they will be able to catch the enemy when is trying to escape easier than arties will do because of their slow speed. Fellas, this is not about making a shit load of a single unit, its about combining units that have long range but are slow with units that are fast but have short range attack power. In addition, flames dont only work against noobs, I saw a film of Ice and toxic being beaten by flames. In my oppinion Ice is a great player and toxic is a good player , they arent noobs. As Toxic said flames won, they had more flames so that's why u gotta look at the economic side of the war since flames are 25 cheaper. As for Dolfantye, u just said it, u were US vs Brit , US arties will own anything. I think we all agree that US arties are the best unit in the game. However , take into account that in a team game u arent always gonna be 1v1 against someone so lets say if u take ur enemy units morale with the flames and ur team mates help you out by sending bombers to those units that have no morale, they are done cuz they wont be able to make it to the supply lane. Also, lets say one of ur team mates is bombarding somene else units with arties and u use flames in a super fast speed to flank those units and take their morale away, the enemy units will be out for sure. So strategy is the key and how u use those flames combined with other units will determine if u succed or not, However, if u build flames and use them to directly attack arties without any other support u are a dumbass cuz as u said the arties will hit the flames before they even touch the arties. In conclusion, Arties and flames have different qualities and weaknesses, which means they could do a good job togheter. Finally, fellas arent u tired of always building the same fucken unit the whole fucken time, its like the cheap recon rush when u have a bomb, it works but I think thats the cheapest strategy in the game and that is if it can even be called "strategy". So, lets have an open mind, lets be creative and escape this monotony of always doing the same damn unit. And dolfantye, if u think this an stupid argument or topic, I belive this a lot better than what you do which is always come with bullshit and stupid problems to the forums and start wars or words among the community, nobody is asking for ur participation here, however, if you wanna participate do it respectfully please.

btw thanks to all those who have taken the time to participate on this topic in a respecful manner.

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:03 am

i have to disagree torment, u said US arties are the best in the game.

i think we all know which unit is the best in this game

tigers

and also i say use those bombers to get thier HQ, supply, arty brigade, motor pool, engineer brigade, and other airfields, UNLESS they have livo in thier team, no point in bombing thier HQ lol

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:00 am

Tigers are very strong units , however, u cant use tigers on every map, I dont think I need to tell you why. in the other hand, Arties can be used on any map. Just cuz a unit is strong, does not make an unit the best unit, u need to consider how much it costs, how much oil and ammo does it require, speed, attack range and how many upgrades you need to get the unit.

King tigers

cost: 300, 270 after tank production (upgrade costs 150)

required: 2 upgrades, heavy tanks, king tigers upgrades (upgrades costs 100+ 150=250)

oil and ammo: u need a lot of both so ur eco dont go on red.

This is only to get the king tigers, But tigers without the other upgrades such as schurzen, diesel engines, gyrostabilyzed tank guns and Avanced armored tryining wont be so effective. Also u wanna make sure you made oil production upgrade and ammunition production under enginer brigade before you get them. 7 total critical upgrades.

US Arties:

Cost: 250, no upgrades needed to make them 250

Requires : no upgrades to be produced.

Oil and ammo: dont required as much as king tigers.

In order to get those arties affective u need : long range, mech reabilitation, Gyros and Improved fire control and u dont need oil and ammo production as much as u need it for tigers. 4 Total critical updrades.

I dont know, Although I love King tigers , I have to say thet US Arties are too much better because of the factors mentioned above.

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:01 pm

I've seen flame tanks do ok when mixed in with arties of their teamates.. but never seen them do that well in any sort of 1v1 isolation matchup.. not to say it cant be done, but they seem to run into same problem heavies do at times (getting the shit bombarded out of them before they get to the front)

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In order to get those arties affective u need : long range, mech reabilitation, Gyros and Improved fire control and u dont need oil and ammo production as much as u need it for tigers. 4 Total critical updrades.

If I'm not mistaken doesn't the oil production upgrade only effect tech buildings that produce oil. and oil depots, making it a virtually worthless upgrade (since most get oil from supply depots) ?

Same with ammo production....

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:15 pm

exactly spas ammo and oil production increase both + 5 , so you wont have to be making as many supplys as you would have to without it, as a result you will be able to pay more attention to the battle.

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:06 pm

Bro USA arty's win always win against King... enough said..

And torment you kept saying how Flamers will own USA arty with Air Support..

Bro with Air Support SAS can own Artys... So any unit owned with Air Support..

Look... it's simple.. Arty's are better than Flamers..get over it.

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:36 pm

I never say flames are better than arties all I have done in this forum is expose the qualities and weaknesses of both and why both work good togheter.

Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:24 pm

dolfantye wrote:

Bro USA arty's win always win against King... enough said..

And torment you kept saying how Flamers will own USA arty with Air Support..

Bro with Air Support SAS can own Artys... So any unit owned with Air Support..

Look... it's simple.. Arty's are better than Flamers..get over it.

If your playing a Dumbass than yes USA arty's will always win agiants flamers and Kings,but if your playing a smart player than its a different story Kings and flames can Kill USA arties easily.

Kings - Keep them supplied and play them like Recons and those USA arties will get raped.

Flames - Keep em spread out and attack those arties from from all sides and youll have those arties running cause of morale loss.